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00:00:00 - Introductions

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Partial Transcript: "Look at you! Hi!"

Segment Synopsis: Emily Steinmetz professor of Anthropology at Washington College of Maryland.

00:00:58 - What started your passion for prison justice work and educational programs in prison?

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Partial Transcript: "While I went to interview people about voting rights....What I ended up learning when I did these kinds of interivews they had all kinds of life stories...They had all kinds of injustices that plagued them...and they were using terms that were new. They used terms like "warehousing, they're just warehousing us here." and that project really opened my eyes to the injustice in incarceration."

Segment Synopsis: Emily talks about her time working in Washington DC doing work with the early one the ground work for prison justice and fighting the school to prison pipeline, and restoring voting rights to formerly incarcerated individuals.

00:05:32 - Is building a curriculum for incarcerated individuals different then students that you would normally have on campus? and what are the differences and contrast?

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Partial Transcript: "I would say not necessarily different.... I think there are some structural differences. I will say more traditional students I've had are a lot more privileged then they were before and they come from much more robust educational systems. Students in prison certainly don't have that and I will say that Students in prison also definitely don't have the same access out of class to information other students."

Segment Synopsis: Prof Steinmetz explains that her perception of the differences between teaching incarcerated students and non-incarcerated students is that incarcerated students typically have significantly less resources and have grown up with significantly more challenges.

Keywords: Education; Incarceration

Subjects: Education; Incarceration; Sociology

00:10:25 - What made you decide to bring what you taught in your curriculum to Dayton correctional?

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Partial Transcript: "I wanted to find materials that everybody could relate to in their own way. Materials that helped us be in dialogue with the readings in such a way that we were in dialogue with each other. When I chose the topic of race gender and citizenship I was thinking of citizenship not as a form of a legal concept but as a form of belonging."

Segment Synopsis: Prof Steinmetz talks about how they wanted to include different topics to help the class at Dayton correctional think about belonging and how different topics interact with a sense of belonging.

Keywords: Belonging; Citizenship; Class; Gender; Race

Subjects: Citizenship; Class; Gender; Legal citizenship; Race

00:13:31 - Mary speaks on their experience with education in prison and Prof Steinmetz adds their take.

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Partial Transcript: "Our classes were supposed to start at 1 and there were some students who weren't even allowed to start walking to their class until like 2......I had to walk on eggshells to keep my scholarship for this program....It really feels like there are a lot of people working in prison who want to keep you from self improvement."

"I went from prison to Antioch, I went from an institution to an institution. I still had rules, I still had structure. I'm just thankful for that."

Segment Synopsis: Emily Steinmetz and Mary Evans have a general talk about the challenges for incarcerated students and deliberate these hurtles to education can be.

Keywords: Education; Incarceration

Subjects: Education; Incarceration; recidivism

00:23:04 - Class for people with a life sentence.

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Partial Transcript: "we're not using sentence length as an exclusion. People without a highschool diploma can go to women empowering women....I think educators can really use there leverage. Ya know I'm volunteering my time, I have these skills you can let me in."

"I think equity means we have, it can be that education is rehabilitative and I think at its core everyone deserves to have access to education no matter who they are."

Segment Synopsis: Prof Steinmetz talks to us about valuing education just for educations sake, that no matter who you are you deserve access to education regardless of your reasoning.

Keywords: Education; Incarceration

Subjects: Education; Enrichment; Incarceration

00:26:54 - What it's like re-entering the world out of prison

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Partial Transcript: "That background came back and there is just that one charge and that was it. It sucks. I'm working to get that off my record now but it sucks."

"I can't forget where I came from. It's important that people after me don't have to take those things."

"I think when someone is starting new they should have clean water and a clean slate."

"Education isn't a privilege it's a right."

Segment Synopsis: Mary Speaks more to their time in prison and how it influenced their time afterwards.

Keywords: Incarceration; Reentry

Subjects: Incarceration; Recidivism; Reentry

00:28:36 - Mary wants you to know that Education isn't a privilege it's a human right.

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Partial Transcript: "They try to make it look like we lost everything but we still have all of our rights. We shouldn't be denied food, water, we shouldn't be denied an education. it's sad that there are still men and women fighting to get an education on the inside."

"I don't know why everyone can't get on the same page it's better to make stronger individuals ready to return."

Segment Synopsis: Mary speaks truth to power about how rights should never be denied.

Keywords: Human Rights; Incarceration

Subjects: Human Rights; Incarceration; Restorative Justice

00:36:25 - Prof Steinmetz plans to return to Ohio and what projects with incarcerated students they will be working on.

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Partial Transcript: "I did interviews with 20 women serving life sentences and I've been working with the interview data during the pandemic and I'm working with the Ohio Department of Corrections.

Segment Synopsis: Prof Steinmetz had plans to return to Ohio but had to delay them because of the pandemic. They plan to complete their projects with the "Lifers" in august of 2021.

Keywords: Incarceration; Interview Data; Oral History

Subjects: Incarceration; Interview Data; Oral History

00:40:13 - Trying to figure out ways to get books back in prison and the value of showing up.

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Partial Transcript: "Hopefully things go back to normal so all of my incarcerated family can go back to learning. Just seeing me get back to work and knowing that someone on the inside wasn't lying to you and that I'm still doing what I said I was going to do that is so refreshing."

"That's another thing is I think just showing up. That is really important."

Segment Synopsis: Mary and Emily talk about the value of being there to give people hope.

Keywords: Education; Incarceration

Subjects: Education; Incarceration; Recidivism

00:42:01 - What classes are you teaching now?

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Partial Transcript: "My favorite new class that I am teaching I only got to teach it once in's called liberation I got to teach it in class."

Segment Synopsis: Prof Steinmetz talks about their favorite recent topic they've taught called liberation. It's centered around the idea of liberation from a multicultural perspective, the history of various liberation movements, and it includes life skills to help people live for themselves afterwards.

Keywords: Education; Incarceration; Liberation; Sociology

Subjects: Education; Incarceration; Liberation; Sociology

00:47:11 - How many participants do you have now? and how many people does the correctional institution you teach at now hold?

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Partial Transcript: "I try to keep it still about the same so usually ten or twelve for each group. I think if it's too big its harder to let everyone get a chance to know everyone. So I try to keep it at ten or twelve students."

"Delaware has one jail for every woman in the's about two hundred or something."

Segment Synopsis: Prof Steinmetz talks about how many students they have in there classes usually and how many prisoners there are in the facility that they teach at for comparison. Noting that the entire state of Delaware has one single prison for every woman in the state.

Keywords: Education; Incarceration

Subjects: Education; Incarceration

00:51:44 - Its really the students who make it work.

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Partial Transcript: "I can't make the class functional, and engaging by myself. It's really the students that have to come to class engaged and doing the reading assigned. For me a really important thing is that the students get so much credit for a successful class like you're saying."

Segment Synopsis: Prof Steinmetz talks about their experience with how the students make the class giving accolades to their incarcerated students. Together Steinmetz and Mary talk about the energy and inspiration of the students attending these classes.

Keywords: Education; Incarceration

Subjects: Education; Incarceration

01:00:58 - Closing Thoughts