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00:00:00 - Lucas Bautista, second year student of color at Antioch College

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Partial Transcript: So can you please say your name and your year?

Segment Synopsis: Introducing the interviewee, Lucas Bautista, a second year student at Antioch College

Keywords: POC; antioch college; college; college student; men of color; second year; student of color

Subjects: college; college student; peer interview

00:00:47 - Lucas' thoughts on the statement "Race isn't Real"

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Partial Transcript: So the very first question: How do you feel about the statement "Race isn't real." And there's not like a right or wrong answer.

Segment Synopsis: The interviewer begins the interview with Lucas Bautista by asking how they feel about the statement "Race isn't real." Lucas responds by saying he thinks it depends on who the statement comes from. He goes on to say he understands that race is literally just a societal construct, but that shouldn't be used to undermine race's impact on society, as it is still used as a basis to discriminate.

Keywords: discriminate; loaded question; perception of race; perception of what race is; race; social construct; society

Subjects: construct; discrimination; perspective on race; race; race affects our society; social construct

00:02:02 - Does the context matter for the statement "race is not real?"

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Partial Transcript: Do you think it depends on who it's coming from, that statement?

Segment Synopsis: The intent behind the statement "race is not real" matters to Lucas. He points out how the statement can be used to discredit the experience of people of color, especially with instances of racism. Lucas agrees with the statement "race is not real" when the intent behind the phrase is to make light of the fact that race is not real in a literal sense, and finds society's relationship with race to be unnecessary.

Keywords: intent; racism; social construct

Subjects: intentions; race; racism; student of color

00:03:05 - Past experiences with the idea that race is not real

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Partial Transcript: Let's expand a tiny bit more on that. Have you ever been in some sort of argument about this? Do you feel as if that has been something used against you in a way that enhances privilege, like, how does that make you feel?

Segment Synopsis: Lucas talks more about his experiences in talking about whether or not "race isn't real" and if that is an argument that has ever been used against him. That specific phrase is not one he has experience with, since Lucas hasn't really held a conversation about race with anyone he disagrees with about it. Mari asks if the phrase makes Lucas have an visceral reaction. Lucas says he does not, he sees the statement as one where the intent matters, and he does agree with the statement on certain terms. If the phrase were to come off with a certain attitude implying that race doesn't exist therefore racism isn't real, especially if that person has no experience with racism, Lucas says that he would then have a problem with it.

Keywords: conversations; experience; privilege; race

Subjects: conversations about race; dialogue; experiences with race; student of color

00:04:41 - Lucas describes POC culture on Antioch Campus

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Partial Transcript: What are your feelings or thoughts on POC culture on Antioch campus?

Segment Synopsis: The people of color on campus, specifically students, are not as united as a result of the inability to put aside differences in opinion and (or) an unwillingness to organize. Lucas appreciates how there are certain resources available to Antioch students of color, however, he also feels as though the needs of all people of color on campus are not being taken seriously. The fact that he identifies as both a person of color and white is something that Lucas says gives him a unique perspective. Sometimes when you don't have a certain experience, that should be taken as an opportunity to be sympathetic and listen, which is something Lucas has had to do.

Keywords: POC; antioch campus; antioch college; campus; culture; diversity; people of color; unity

Subjects: POC; culture; life on campus; race; students of color; unity

GPS: Antioch College Campus
Map Coordinates: 38.0049, 129.8058
00:06:48 - POC Culture at Antioch College: Positive or Negative

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Partial Transcript: Do you think that POC culture on Antioch's campus is a positive thing?

Segment Synopsis: When posed the question "Do you think that POC culture on Antioch's campus is a positive thing?" Lucas' response was that a generalized statement about the POC culture being either positive or negative is not an appropriate way to speak about a community like the people of color at Antioch College. When unsure of how to answer, Lucas stated that the ability to sustain a POC culture at Antioch was in general positive. The interviewer clarified that they were asking about specifically whether or not the POC culture on campus was a good influence on the general culture at Antioch college. Lucas says that yes, POC culture is a good influence in general, but that there could be improvements made. He continues to speak about the vitality of supporting students of color on campus, and how the fact that there is a community at all that can be there to supports its members is positive over all. When speaking about POC culture on Antioch Campus specifically, Lucas said that he considered the POC members of the community to be doing a lot to improve the POC standard of living at Antioch, which is good even though it is a shame not everyone can see it that way.

Keywords: POC culture; college campus; culture; general statement; positive

Subjects: POC culture; culture; race

00:08:23 - Background on the Day of Disappearance through Lucas' eyes

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Partial Transcript: If you could put into your own words kind of the purpose of the Day of Disappearance

Segment Synopsis: The Day of Disappearance at Antioch was a walk out protest planned to show what a day at Antioch would be like without people of color. Instead of going to class, many members of the POC community instead spent the day at the Coretta Scott King Center. Lucas considered two possibilities that could have been the results of the protest. Either people would notice how different life on campus would be without POC and understand the importance of supporting people of color or that people wouldn't really notice and that in itself would also prove the point the POC are ignored. The latter is what Lucas experienced as having happened. The fact that not all POC on campus participated in this demonstration also affected the outcome. Lucas wanted the impact to be that everyone recognized the role of POC members in the community as vital, but Lucas has found the impact to be with how this was even able to be organized between students and staff. The Day of Disappearance has been spoken about by people in other interviews as a prime example of disruptive but nonviolent protest that resulted in an in-depth educational experience for the people who attended the group inside of the CSKC. Lucas contributes that aspect of the demonstration's success to open mindedness and the fact that it could be done in person, not just online or through word of mouth. He makes a point about how communication on campus is often the source of many interpersonal issues, as word of mouth is so powerful on such a small campus. Having eight hours to talk to your peers and fellow people of color made a difference as far as not having to cut up the dialogue between multiple meetings. The Day of Disappearance is one of the most successful instances of communication on campus that Lucas has ever seen. The fine line between demonstrating peacefully without being submissive or passive and maintaining an appearance that can be respected as impactful protesters was something handled tactfully with those involved with the Day of Disappearance.

Keywords: Antioch College; Day of Disappearance; Peaceful Protest; Pride; Protest; communication

Subjects: Day of Disappearance; POC; Perspective; communication; students and facaulty of color

00:13:57 - Lucas' perception of the meeting

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Partial Transcript: Can you kind of explain that meeting as well?

Segment Synopsis: The meeting discussed was the Day of Dialogue. Lucas considers the beginning of the meeting to have been rough, as there was a conflict about who was going to get the meeting started and therefore pick up a position as a leader. The faculty that was present didn't seem to be in opposition to the requests made by the those at the meeting, and that the decisions made are not necessarily up to them but they are being held up by them from higher positions. At the end of the meeting however, Lucas felt as though the whole situation for POC members of the community wasn't being taken seriously and that certain members of the faculty where too readily passing on taking responsibility, which could have unintentional. Someone on the staff brought up that ComCil should be responsible for further action that needed to be taken, which Lucas found to be very upsetting because even though students should be working and having a say through ComCil, measures should also be taken by the school itself, directly. The same staff member also brought up how it was "easy" to agree to the points of action brought up in the meeting because those points were already part of a preexisting plan. Lucas found this to condescending because everyone was already aware of the preexisting plan, but those points where brought up again because those needs weren't being met in the first place. However, Lucas does not want to seem overly critical of the staff, because he doesn't see them as doing any harm intentionally and the fact that there are genuine attempts being made is still valuable.

Keywords: criticism; meeting; understanding

Subjects: ComCil; POC; intentions; racism; staff

00:17:07 - Should we be worried about Self-Segregation?

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Partial Transcript: M: Do you think having a POC hall is form of self segregation?

L: Um no, I do not.

Segment Synopsis: Lucas feels as though the term self-segregation is used as a way of invalidating the desire to have things as POC, and it should not be used for this reason. He feels this term falls into the same category as the term "reverse racism" which is something that is not actually real, but more of a means to make POC feel bad and undermining actual racism. Segregation was a form of oppression that keeps people of color in the United States from being able to be treated as human beings even today. This history keeps the terms separation and segregation from being interchangeable. An exercise was done during a POC meeting Lucas was a part of where a word is said and people have to provide words they associate with the given word. Lucas associates the word "segregation" with dogs, due to the use of dogs to keep black people from being able to walk freely in segregated America. Lucas sees that when people use the term "self-segregation" what is being described is typically a form of empowerment. The use of the term feels like a micro-aggression to Lucas, who otherwise has not real word for it. He does not feel as though anyone who has brought it up has meant to be harmful, but he still sees the use of that term and thinking about things as self-segregation is problematic. The Day of Dialogue meeting helped make many things clear for Lucas, including cementing his thoughts on things like the idea of self segregation and comprehending the importance of POC halls and other needs of the POC community. Lucas found it positive that the criticism about the POC Halls was being brought up by other POC, and that way a conversation could be held by relevant parties. When asked if a POC hall is necessary at a small school like Antioch, Lucas finds it to be necessary given the lack of diversity at a college in Ohio.

Keywords: POC hall; dialogue; segregation; self-segregation

Subjects: Antioch College; POC; Race; Racism; Segregation

00:26:24 - Yellow Springs as a Safe Haven

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Partial Transcript: So one last question

Segment Synopsis: Yellow Springs, Ohio has a history of being a friendly space to POC in a generally conservative state. Lucas sees potential for Yellow Springs to become a safe haven again for people of color. However, greater efforts need to be made if that is ever to happen. Lucas points out that the responsibility is typically given to POC to reach out and make efforts for their own rights, which Lucas finds to be unfair and unsustainable. People of Color shouldn't have to be doing all the work by themselves to make a friendlier community when they already have to fight for their rights. This responsibility should be shared.

Keywords: Ohio; Yellow Springs; antioch college; campus; goals; racism; safe haven; safety

Subjects: Antioch College; Community; Ohio; POC; Yellow Springs; college campus; diversity; racism; safe haven; safe space

GPS: Yellow Springs, Ohio, 45387
Map Coordinates: 39.8064, 88.8369